Capitalism will eat democracy — unless we speak up | Yanis Varoufakis

Capitalism will eat democracy — unless we speak up | Yanis Varoufakis

Have you wondered why politicians aren't what they used to be, why governments seem unable to solve real problems? Economist Yanis Varoufakis, the former Minister of Finance for Greece, says that it's because you can be in politics today but not be in power — because real power now belongs to those who control the economy. He believes that the mega-rich and corporations are cannibalizing the political sphere, causing financial crisis. In this talk, hear his dream for a world in which capital and labor no longer struggle against each other, "one that is simultaneously libertarian, Marxist and Keynesian."

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90 thoughts on “Capitalism will eat democracy — unless we speak up | Yanis Varoufakis

  1. I used to see a lot of media demonizing this guy, but every time I actually hear him it not only makes sense but I find him to come across as trustworthy. Funny that.

    1. Now let’s see what ( ironically)George Soros’s favorite philosopher and hero said about Socialism, who happens to be one of the 20th Century’s most renowned philosophers and ( again ironically) who brought us the Open Society concept which is fanatically beloved by “Sorosnistas”:
      “I remained a socialist for several years, even after my rejection of Marxism; and if there could be such a thing as socialism combined with individual liberty, I would be a socialist still. For nothing could be better than living a modest, simple, and free life in an egalitarian society. It took some time before I recognized this as no more than a beautiful dream; that freedom is more important than equality; that the attempt to realize equality endangers freedom; and that, if freedom is lost, there will not even be equality among the unfree.

      —Karl R. Popper, Unended Quest: An Intellectual Autobiography

    2. “Capitalism does a number of things very well: it helps create an entrepreneurial spirit; it gets people motivated to come up with new ideas, and that’s a good thing.”

      Bernie Sanders, multimillionaire, Socialist and perpetual politician

    3. “China adopted a capitalist system in the 1980s, and they went from a 60% poverty rate to 10%. That translates into 800 million Chinese being lifted out of poverty “

      ~Bill Gates , 2015 The World Economic Forum in Davos-Klosters, Switzerland.

    4. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      ////////::////////

  2. People keep basing their opinion on this guy because he was a minister of finance for Greece. However, him or his policies had nothing to do with the Greek economic collapse because it collapsed years before he became the finance minister. You can argue wether or not his policies helped to recover Greece, but connecting him or his ideas to the Greek crisis is shallow and lazy.

    1. The crisis in Greece is, unfortunately, a long existing problem, actually it has manifested since the nation’s very creation, and debt just kept rising and rising with most of the governments shoving the issue under the rug or worsening it. People hating on the failure of this government can’t seem to realize that more than 150 years of rising debts can’t magically disappear in 4 years, and sadly a change of Greece’s government cant change the country’s future, which is pre-decided by the EU, which is still collapsing in itself, breeding the economical inequality it once aimed to stop.

    2. @PTR Koulou – well the Scandinavians with their enlighten cynicism have sardonic but wise sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”

    3. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”

    1. @Inbucks Wetrust so , you say that without corporations the workers would be far better off, right? Or what exactly is that mechanism if a corporation has profit in units of percent. Walmart has like 3% on revenues. And the 97% are costs eg. someone else’s salaries.

      So how does this idea works that workesr are inherently exploited? Since workers sell labor.

    1. This.
      People of common sense (armed with patience and objectivity) must try to awaken as many others as possible in the next year or two, and then it’s rebellion time… or, considering how much the Earth struggles and how worse it gets with time, we’ll all be dead in the next ~20 years, max (I feel generous atm) *thanks to the “clever” rich and all the shortsighted ppl who support this system which promotes the vicious cycle of greed and stupidity*.

    2. @Tarek Ben At this point, I would nearly be OK with the technique of, ‘Ready Fire Aim!’ LOL
      No failures only lessons right!
      (not suggesting any violence here by the way).

      I mean it’s already been half a decade since this talk and the biggest monopolies are still more powerful than most countries
      and are now even beyond the power of the governments of the countries they were formed in.
      Not only that, the working class are paying over ten times the amount of tax they are too!

      A lot is wrong that could be fixed in a moment.

      Actually in my comment, I was kinda having a go at the way corporations,
      governments and bureaucracies move so slowly it’s barely any change at all.
      You know;
      a year playing the blame-game,
      a couple of years for an inquiry,
      few more years for a royal commission
      and another year for debate over funding, etc. etc.

      Anyway, wanting a solution fast, isn’t exactly the same as fast solution
      and it definitely doesn’t mean it has to be a short-term one either.

      But seriously, other than criticizing Me for wanting change sooner, rather than later,
      do You have any constructive ideas on how We could make things more equitable for All?

    1. “China adopted a capitalist system in the 1980s, and they went from a 60% poverty rate to 10%. That translates into 800 million Chinese being lifted out of poverty “

      ~Bill Gates , 2015 The World Economic Forum in Davos-Klosters, Switzerland.

    2. Listen up!

      Let’s read more, and not leave it there but educate others of what we’ve learned. Let’s go! Do it! Planet doesn’t have much time and there’s a lot (deliberate…?) obfuscation to clear…

      …Since, obviously a lot of fake news and conspiracy theories are deliberate obfuscation of the reality of voters, no question about that anymore after 2015 the methods used in social media began clearing. Question now is how much of the blurring of the meaning of terms like ‘capitalism’ been deliberate.

      Naturally it can lose meaning if population doesn’t have tools to view society in healthy way, tools like Marxism. It got totally unnecessarily dismissed after cold war, Soviet Empire (nor China) wasn’t socialist but state capitalist economy.

      MOP weren’t under ownership of community, workers nor public but undemocratically chosen party elites. That’s not socialism but it’s s mode of governance called Stalinism, or Marxist-Leninism which is term coined by Stalin to legitimize his changes on system after power grab from Trotsky when Lenin died, or state capitalism, or right-communism like Leftists such as Rosa Luxemburg among many other criticised Lenin’s vision 100 years ago and Lenin answering the criticism by writing a book about “Leftists infantile disorder”, which surely was most adult thing to do and helped to appease the domestic proletarian and peasant rebellions of Leftists, Socialist, Anarchist etc after disappointment when Lenin basically continued the Russian Empire as Czar 2.0 and which went on continiously from 1917 revolution continuing after death of Lenin all the way to WW2 and Nazis invading Russia…)

      (sorry I do these text walls…)

    3. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      //…../////

    4. @Raptor Jet that’s literally only said, or tweeted, by couple old boomer neolibs in an effort to troll leftists in Scandinavia. Although I have no confirmation but, Björn “Nalle” Wahlroos is most likely one. They’re so out of touch trolling is only way they know how to communicate with “lesser beings” below.

      He’s one of those out of touch neoliberal bankers who got simply made billionaire by Finnish government casually handing him a bank in the 90’s (owned by government as service for citizens) and which he got to privatize because he was born in a correct family and eventually selling it to Swedish, who’s problem he’s now, I believe.

      Wait… I think I remember him actually switching some banks HQ to Finland because consequences of Paradise Papers (his bank washing Russian oligarchs money in EU even though they’d been sanctioned) was closing in and Finland being Euro country so tax payers would’ve been forced to bailout whatever bank he’s guiding to it’s neoliberal doom. So, check that Swedish problem…

      Capitalism is relic of the past, it’ll whither off with these people. Trump, Biden and Nalle types who can’t smell past their own farts and who may turn to fascism to conserve the system that been so good to them. I’m not working class either and I don’t know what mode of production we have in the future, as I can’t tell innovations and events to come, but it’s changing from unregulated free-to-exploit system towards more humane and equal chance of opportunity kind of system. Possibly some mixture of private capital markets funded and/or supplemented but socially owned means of production which profits goes to support the well-being of an individual (and by extension society around individual, can’t have only other) Somewhat like today but without the one and only feature of capitalism, private ownership of means of production.

    5. I apologize for the lenght of yet another YouTube comment… I wish the gravity of this moment in history had short explanation, but I doubt there is one…

    1. @Raptor Jet even if that number was correct, I’m still not defending Soviet nor Chinese system. They’re capitalistic and reactionary and I’m not a tankie.

      If I remember right, that 110m number is basically invented without much evidence. Need to look up that book however, I highly doubt that Marxism is the corrext term there either. Marxist-Leninism, maybe. Marxism only being academic tool to analyze society. Or philosophy of historical materialism. Communist manifesto would only be valid in early industrial revolution 1900’s Victorian era England where Marxism was utilized, by Marx. It was a wild summers in Europe back then, revolution attempts etc as capitalism was overheating without much regulations and people felt bad and had short life. Llike working class men average age was 25 in UK or something similar. Farmlands sold to highest bidder meant increasing farmer influx to cities which meant labour force work in factories, cheaper. This new reality of living conditions among other things made Marx wonder about the roots of these problems. It seemed that best way to have proper vision on society was master/slave dialectics of Hegel but updated version, that unquestionably makes Marx worthy of being named as father of social sciences but more importantly one of the most important and influential continental philosopher of modern times. This method is still widely used in governments and universities (like criminology, law, economics, history, philosophy, anthropology etc…) across the planet. Post-modernism hasn’t created tool as capable as Marxism is to explain society and it’s phenomenon. If you really wanted to know how much death this method has caused, you’d literally had to use Marxism. Stalinism, like fascism, are ideologies. Marxism is philosophy to find best ideology…

    2. @Maissi Lapsuus -rodent brains do have a reading comprehension problem again here is the citation for the 110 million that were murdered by Communist regimes documented from primary sources which are the archives where the murders took place by the leading scholar on Communist Regimes:

      The renowned scholar and historian of Communist Regimes , R. J. Rummel’s documented in his seminal 1994 book “Death by Government” 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by communist/socialist regimes/movements from 1900 to 1987. His primary sourced research involved the archives of the 9 former iron curtain countries , former Soviet Union and leak documents from Communist China .

    3. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      ::::::////::::::::::.:::://

  3. Yanis – so honest – “did you make any mistakes…everyday”
    He has very interesting ideas, we have struggled for a century to reconcile the conflict between capitalism and democracy – at least he shows a way forward. maybe not the only or the best way forward but it is brilliant.

    1. I like the fact that Yanis is trying to put forward a vision, he is solution-oriented! I am now part of the DIEM25 movement.

    2. @william wells capitalism is literally undemocratic and can never be “by and for the people.” It is for CAPITAL, the only purpose is to make profits by exploiting the surplus value created by the majority of society (workers) and their labor. The only solution isnt social democracy which is just capitalism with extra crumbs for the poor, but a socialized worker owned economy, that switches from profit oriented goals to fulfilling the needs of the society it is producing for.

    3. @Trent Neal My main objection regarding “capitalism” is all the hucksterism that goes on. We need to stimy commercial ‘free speech’.

  4. Capitalism has already eaten democracy … we are just seeing and hearing the post-prandial burps and farts from the meal.

    1. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      ////////::::::///////

    2. @Raptor Jet
      My feeling is that capitalism is the system and socialist vs. fascism are the two poles of the issue. If you see that a country or system is not democratic, like the US of late, then it is more fascistic. If you want to lessen a fascist system you create more democracy.

    3. @ML6103
      There is a great book called “The End Of The Megamachine”. It is a great book … with a mediocre to bad title. But it is the only book I’ve read that makes the point that democracy evolved as a counter to Capitalism, Feudalism, Tyranny and Libertarianism – but mainly Capitalism because that is what all oppressive systems that kick out people and take their land, labor, futures, and lives for fun and profit. Maybe the book does not state it that forcefully, but that is the message I got from it. That is what the SOBs on the Right want to justify and go back to.

    1. Let’s see what the man who brought us, “God is Dead “ and single handily unlocked the door to modernity said about Socialism:
      “Socialism itself can hope to exist only for brief periods here and there, and then only through the exercise of the extremest terrorism. For this reason it is secretly preparing itself for rule through fear and is driving the word “justice” into the heads of the half-educated masses like a nail so as to rob them of their reason… and to create in them a good conscience for the evil game they are to play.”

      -Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human

    2. “Capitalism does a number of things very well: it helps create an entrepreneurial spirit; it gets people motivated to come up with new ideas, and that’s a good thing.”

      Bernie Sanders, multimillionaire, Socialist and perpetual politician

    3. “China adopted a capitalist system in the 1980s, and they went from a 60% poverty rate to 10%. That translates into 800 million Chinese being lifted out of poverty “

      ~Bill Gates , 2015 The World Economic Forum in Davos-Klosters, Switzerland.

    4. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      ::::…////::::::

  5. Genuine and Knowledgeable Speaker; Inspirational and Enlightening Talk. Much much better than those of phony politicians with their teleprompters, their artificial non-verbals, their stage-performances, their politically correct words and appearance, their blank stares when asked unrehearsed questions. Thank you Yanis.

    1. @qp12qp – “He is a clown, try searching him, deeper than the propaganda”
      Feel free to provide an actual example of what you think makes him look like a clown. The more I see, the less of a clown he looks, so _clearly_ I just haven’t found your magic clip yet.
      If only right-wingers actually put substance into their arguments…

    2. ​@KingBobXIV
      Actually, clown is an overestimation. He is a liar, a narcissist, an idiot, an ignorant on his own expertise, and a traitor combined. He has damaged the Greek economy and has misled the Greek people (and apparently foreign people too) many times, and it would require hundreds of pages to analyze all cases in detail.
      For example, he told BBC in a 2015 interview that the Germans and other EU lenders “have paid far too much for Greece, 240billions for heavens’ shake”, and his gov will come with a plan to minimize the cost to the average German and other Europeans.
      The truth: 16 countries borrowed directly from ECB 55 billion (not 240) in order to lend Greece, with interest rates LOWER than the interest rates they lent Greece.
      The rest 175b were lent by the EFSF that borrowed from the markets by selling its own debt titles -a non intergovernmental debt, so no burden to the citizens, it was just guaranteed by the governments. Germany’s part was 15.2b but gained 75b from the interest rate difference alone! Several studies show that Germany gained tens of billions from other reasons related to the borrowing. Actually, Germany has profited hundreds of billions by buying valuable Greek assets for pennies, and forcing the crappiest of their products and services to Greece with help from corrupt politicians under the pretext of the “Greek crisis” while blocking the local production.
      The act itself of lending this unprecedented amount, was part of a huge scandal against Greece: after the global crisis of 2008, the German, Netherlands and French banks had a large amount of Greek bonds and they wanted to get rid of it, in order to save their banks. So they invented the myth of the “Greek crisis”, they portrait Greece as the “bad sheep” of EU with the “lazy Greeks” that “spent too much for too long” and “lived beyond their means”, they misled not only the Greek people, but the whole world about it, they defamed Greece and the Greek people, they manipulated the statistical data with illegal acts using illegally implanted officials along with help from the corrupt local politicians and the corrupt EU statistical organization Eurostat, they threatened the Greek people with the lie of forced exit (not possible in the EU law), in order to accept the (illegal) memorandums and be “saved”.
      Today the Greek debt is much higher than it was back then, the country has been destroyed, the population is dying, all the assets have been sold, 1 million of youth and scientists have migrated, they have destroyed the military defense and Turkey takes the advantage to threaten Greece and claim land. And BTW, not a single euro has been invested to the Greek economy. That’s how they “saved” us.
      A second example is that Varoufakis (we call him Baroufakis which in Greek implies a person that talks BS) went to deal with the lenders without having any “weapon” on his arsenal to negotiate with, and of course he failed. His “Plan X” was completely naive and ridiculous. Now if he threatened the lenders that Greece would exit the EU and Eurozone, he would have a real weapon, as the speculators they supported would lose hundreds of billions and would be exposed, but it never crossed his mind. He never suggested an exit from the euro as his partner
      A third example is that he was preparing a double currency for Greece (IOU)!
      That would have been a disaster, worse than the current artificial crisis, just as it was a disaster whenever in history IOUs were applied. The most recent example is in California in 2009: in 3 months the banks were exchanging IOUs with dollars in 50% of their nominal value.
      That plan was interrupted by the sound “NO” that 62% of the Greek people said in the 2015 referendum, then every loanshark and speculator was terrified from a possible social explosion, his government turned “NO” to “YES” (illegally) and Varoufakis made a heroic exit, supposedly as an anti-memorandum one.
      The list about Varoufakis is endless…
      BTW, it’s ironic to call me right-winger and Varoufakis left-winger. There are no such distinctions in a country under occupation. There are only patriots and traitors.

    3. @qp12qp can you link sources for this I’d be interested in reading about it. Because if you have no sources then it feels like you just came to this video to spew bullshit

    4. ​@Jack Laffey If I invented all these data spontaneously, I would be a script-writer for movies and television. But reality usually surpasses even the wildest fantasy.
      You can find what Varoufakis has said, he’s under every political rock on the net, he gave more interviews than all Greek politicians combined, as a pure narcissist.
      About the rest, excellent, comprehensive must-read sources about how the Europeans trapped Greece, looted her and destroyed her, while impoverishing the population with their systematic illegal actions, which reveals the true nature of the so called “European Union” (of course, in cooperation with the local traitor politicians),
      are:

      1. Google: Greek-fiscal-and-financial-data.pdf by Zoe Georganta (in English, free download from researchgate).
      2. Google: spiros-lavdiotis blog “Essays on the Economy” to find his blog, then using google page and document translation from Greek to English, read the series from Apr 24 2018 “The Greek Public Debt Problem” up to Nov 3 2018 “(D) Part 24: PSI – The Great ‘Bluff’ of the Salvation of Greece from Bankruptcy” as you’ll see his page trans. to English.
      Also, Mar 13 2019 “The Role of the ECB in the Catastrophe of Greece”, and more.
      There are several references mentioned on these sources.
      Zoi Georganta is a Professor of Applied Econometrics with a 16 pages CV, that has worked as a member of the Greek statistical organization and Spiros Lavdiotis is an economist and author that has worked as a Senior Financial Analyst in the Central Bank of Canada.
      3. Also, by S. Kaitatzi-Whitlock Professor of Politcs and Politcal Communicaton:
      Google: (PDF) GREECE, THE EUROZONE CRISIS AND THE MEDIA: THE SOLUTION IS THE PROBLEM (free download from Academia)

    1. Let’s see what the man who brought us, “God is Dead “ and single handily unlocked the door to modernity said about Socialism:
      “Socialism itself can hope to exist only for brief periods here and there, and then only through the exercise of the extremest terrorism. For this reason it is secretly preparing itself for rule through fear and is driving the word “justice” into the heads of the half-educated masses like a nail so as to rob them of their reason… and to create in them a good conscience for the evil game they are to play.”

      -Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human

    2. “Capitalism does a number of things very well: it helps create an entrepreneurial spirit; it gets people motivated to come up with new ideas, and that’s a good thing.”

      Bernie Sanders, multimillionaire, Socialist and perpetual politician

    3. You got to love the enlighten cynicism of the Scandinavians ( which the Greeks could use some of) with their often repeated sardonic sayings on Socialism and Social Democracy ( roughly translated from Norwegian, Swedish, Danish):

      “ To afford socialism you need lots and lots of Capitalism”

      “Social Democracy is the gateway drug to socialism”
      ///////—///

  6. The compromised state of American capitalism. 
    A few examples. 

    (1) Anti-trust laws so important in the first half of the 20th century have quietly been retired; 

    (2) Bill Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act on the last day of his presidency with the collaboration of arch-conservative, Paul Graham; 

    (3) Bill Clinton reversed federal policy in force since shortly after the Panic of 1907 forbidding derivatives (which were at the heart of the 1907 Depression); 

    (4) Three people—Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Jeff Bezos—posses 50% of all the wealth in the USA. In addition, 1/10th of 1% own 90% of all the wealth in America (although with Soros, Musk and others, I’d guess it’s worse than that).

    (5) Mega-corporations can and do legally influence economic policies. Wall Street favors big investors and robs the little guy capitalists.

    (6) Washington has more than 30,000 lobbyists who can legally bribe our senators and representatives.

    (7). Foreign lobbies legally influence economic policies in the USA by demanding huge pay-offs and armament sales or gifts [or both, as is the case with American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)].

    1. @Maissi Lapsuus Oh hang on? Is Israel bribing the US into following its foreign policy goals, like the original poster said, or is the bribery happening the other way round, like you allege. Please confer and sort out your story.

      This is my point. People throw out these allegations against – specifically, among all the brutal regimes in the Middle East – the state of Israel. Some are true but many aren’t, and as demonstrated above the criticisms aren’t even consistent with each other. The nature of these criticisms, then, doesn’t seem to come from a position of neutrality. It all smacks of motivated reasoning, of a desire to undermine the state of Israel.

      And the state of Israel is *incredibly* important to the global Jewish diaspora, whatever those Jews may think about their own domestic politics. In 1948 the state of Israel was set up to provide those people with safe haven, following their butchery in one of the most atrocious genocides in history. For Jews everywhere, it is home, even if they have never lived there – it is the place they will flee to if, God forbid, history ever repeats itself.

      Can you not see how, from the perspective of the Jewish community, a desire to see Israel destroyed becomes a personal attack?

    2. @Alex Potts it’s not for majority of Jews living in USA which see it (AIPAC) as harmful to state of Israel and Jewish people.

      And the criticism of AIPAC has never been nothing else but criticism of Israeli governments influence on US foreign policy, some spying case was there too but the bought influence being main argument.

      I personally don’t care how being Jewish is related to, apparently, theocracy of Israel..? One is too many on this planet so I’m not so happy about Islamic theocracies (nor Christian in Vatican and blooming evangelical political reactionary movement in USA) either, but that doesn’t mean I should ignore crimes against humanity committed by IDF and state of Israel, it just doesn’t work like that.

    3. Small correction: Bezos, Gates, and Buffet own more money than the poorest half of the U.S. population, not half the wealth of the U.S. It’s still completely broken. The bottom 80% of Americans own 14% of the wealth. Absurdity.

    4. @Frostbyte6686 Thank you. I appreciate the response! That estimate I quoted seemed a bit high. But with 137 [at last count] multi-billionaires in the US, Bernie Sanders’ issue with billionaires is embarrassingly obvious. 

      It’s all just another step back to European / Chinese / East Indian feudalism : serfs, land barons, aristocrats and royalty. I’ll take optimal health over flashy material stuff, over their conniving faux friends, and over faux ecstasy resulting from a pathology of power over people.

    1. I feel like we wait until people are dying to make necessary changes. After 9/11 we went to war with 8 countries. We are having a 9/11 everyday now and nothing is really being done about it.

    2. If I was American, US citizen, I’d be packing my s*** by now and looking for a nice place that accepts immigrants or refugees from map.

      …Because it’s a country on a brink of collapse, seriously…

      Even liberals are reacting without knowing what to do but just losing their s***s over some fake identy issue or something similar non-issue without much real world importance, but allows judgement. Conservatives… Well we all know without going too much details wtf is going with them, but like seriously wtf is going on with the conservatives in US? President doesn’t even speak of humans or citizens of USA anymore when he’s referring over half of population of the country he’s president of…

      Yikes, gtfo from there guys. Unless you’re rightwing conservative, don’t leave anywhere in that case. Alright chief? When things begin happening, it can escalate fast and who is ready to bet Trump haven’t managed to divide and conquer the armed forces? There will be violence, mass graves and camps, Biden won’t help you because he can’t, sorry. This Pandoras Box is open, emotional investments for fascism has been made. Get the f*** out from there, or if that’s not available option (doubt you get this much from other Europeans but:) arm yourselves. You have the right, please use it…

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