Where Are the Witnesses? Ralph Nader Says Democrats’ Impeachment Case Is “Prescription for Defeat”

Where Are the Witnesses? Ralph Nader Says Democrats’ Impeachment Case Is “Prescription for Defeat”

 

 

 

 

As the historic Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump continues, we speak with longtime consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who says Democrats have set themselves up for defeat by rushing proceedings and failing to call witnesses — including Trump himself. “The narrow approach of the articles of impeachment keep the Democrats from having a full hand,” says Nader. “They have like 10 arrows in their quiver and they’re using one or two.”

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85 thoughts on “Where Are the Witnesses? Ralph Nader Says Democrats’ Impeachment Case Is “Prescription for Defeat”

    1. Nader’s not talking about witnesses who can talk about what happened in order to inform. He talks about witnesses who can give more personal accounts of what happened because of the psychological effect this could have on the people who vote.

    1. Trump’s public statements and video evidence were stronger than any witness depositions. They could drag out legally subpoenas.
      Nader’s hopelessly naive, it would block the senate and stall much needed programs.

    2. @RobBCactive No, you’re tragically short sighted. Getting all the testimony into public record is clutch. It would give sane people something to point to again and again. It would give moderate Republicans tools of reason to use on their constituents. Bear in mind that not only are they fearful of losing their seats, they’re fearful of losing them to far right nutcases, not Democrats. If you think blue dog Dems are worth protecting, and I suspect you do, then so are moderate Republicans.

    1. @AragonianSun Yes! Or better yet, how about no parties at all? We need to be a nation of individuals, not of groups. Political groups are susceptible are more susceptible to corruption where as individuals acting in unison for a common good is a much more healthier and stronger force. We already have direct democracy, but only the most powerful and wealthiest corporations can participate. All we have to do is to create an online, democratic, political structure specifically designed for the everyday individual citizen where it would be illegal for organizations and corporations to participate or influence and where the general public can voice their opinions on the issues, instruct their representatives on how to vote on certain issues, and unite with other like-minded citizens in order to not just protest against a social injustice but to brainstorm ideas and construct solutions to real problems that confront everyday individual citizens who are just trying to get by and live at a minimal standard of living. Let’s all focus on that and strive to work to that goal!!

    1. @Danny Dough They need a bunch of witnesses related to capital security – get their testimony on record and then call Donald J. Trump so you can grill him over and over with statements from police officers and military on how he failed to respond to their repeated requests for security. Beat them on their own ticket: Law and Order.

      No doubt Trump will blame everone else – then you call in all the people he is going to blame and betray, which means you get a whole lot of republicans testifying as witnesses against Trump -> including M. Pence. Nobody wants to sit with the blame for failing to protect the US capital.

      It’s a simple strategy, I’m sure that if this was a case they really wanted to win they could think of something even smarter. Unfortunately what we have now is Democrats putting on a mascarade for their base while they are being paid to lose, or at least paid to prevent anything more serious about what went on behind the scenes coming out. Everyone can see the punches they are pulling today on day 4.

    2. @Warren Flood Dude all of that is out in the open, if you are lucky enough to get people sit in a chair and say everything we already know, because once again it’s all recorded and out there for the record, the republicans still won’t impeach him. It’s just politics, Trump hijacked the overwhelming majority of the voters so the Republicans can’t risk impeaching him for fear they will lose their elections. I don’t know if you know this, but the republican voter base actually give zero care about the capital or democracy. They will not be moved by Pence dancing around questions or Trump lying for hours straight. It will change nothing. He’s been lying non-stop for 4 years straight, the truth or the law or order or whatever doesn’t matter to them. It hasn’t for a while.

    3. DNC did not want to see subpoena those DNC activist who were on camera actually inciting and agitating in the protest on Capitol.
      Who knows who had sponsored and financed them to be there on that day and to do what they did.

    4. @Warren Flood @Reality Check ^ My case in point that the republicans will not be moved by witness testimonies is the above comment above mine^. They live in lala land now. They don’t care about the truth.

    1. Absolutely, just like she did in the last impeachment trial. Her and Schumer have been disastrous as leaders. They have consistently grasp defeat from the arms of victory. Their decision are Donor based and based on maintaining their own power not what’s right or best for the country just like their Republican friends. It is decisions made from this point of view that led to Trump. It’s lack of conviction and character that has led the Congress to a 13% approval rating.

  1. Senators make over $150,000 a year.
    They work 3 days a week? no wonder why nothing gets done.
    Garbage senate is bloated with hypocrites and elites

  2. I would rather have a heavy-hitting lawyer like Ralph Nader calling the shots for how to conduct the US Senate trial of the President than Nancy Pelosi.

    1. So you want Biden’s picks and Covid relief to be stalled totally so Nader can grandstand, while the Repubs stall the senate citing vindictiveness of trying Donaldict 45?
      Yes, it hurts seeing injustice but people are suffering and they have to prioritise that.
      Nader enabled Dubya’s 2000 win with awful consequences for both US and the world.

    2. Doesn’t matter what Lawyer called the shots. REPUBLICANS REFUSED to Convict Trump to save their own skin. Stop listening to the Media who are trying to shift blame and throw gasoline on the darn Fire. This is on the REPUBLICANS WHO STOOD BY TRUMP. *_Many of the Republicans in the Senate took part in the Insurrection and also incited the Insurrection. Convicting TRUMP would be Convicting themselves._* They said they would NOT CONVICT him before and during the Trial.

      *_They also NEED Trump’s base to Vote for them to take the House & Senate in the 2022 midterm Election and were NOT gonna Risk losing Votes or their Seats. It’s more about their Political Careers._* The House managers did an amazing job, they did their part and got loads of evidence & written statement from the Witness on Record. Now the Dept of Justice, FBI & GA have evidence on Permanent Record to use in all the other Trials Trump is Facing.

    1. @J ya Bernie spent decades fooling everyone. You may not like his choices but you cannot put down his commitment to the hard work over the years. Democracy doesn’t end on Election Day if you want real change get involved and help progressives get elected.

    2. @Merced Dominguez Still, the peoples’ deference has let fascist power accrue worldwide. Sad the Trump didn’t become the culmination leading to a reversion of gov’t into peoples hands like he was meant to be, karmicly.

    1. Enough with the Witness Excuse. The REPUBLICANS said they would not convict the guy before the trial and during the trial just like the first time. It had nothing to do with more witnesses. They already got the witness testimony in writing on Record. The Senators members of Congress were also Witnesses who were actually in the room. The Media need to Stop Trying to shift Blame. This is on the REPUBLICANS WHO STOOD BY TRUMP. *_Many of the Republicans in the Senate took part in the Insurrection and also incited the Insurrection. Convicting TRUMP would be Convicting themselves._*

      They also NEED Trump’s base to Vote for them to take the House & Senate in the 2022 midterm Election and were NOT gonna Risk losing Votes or their Seats. It’s more about their Political Careers. The House managers did am amazing job, they did their part and got evidence and written statement on Record from the Witness. Now the Dept of Justice, FBI & GA have evidence on the Permanent Record to us in all the other Trials Trump is Facing.

    2. @Yurik YOU ARE INEPT for Not understanding what just took place and that it’s REPUBLICANS who REFUSED to Convict Trump to save their own skin. Stop listening to the Media who are trying to shift blame with the more witnesses excuse and throwing gasoline on the darn Fire.

      The REPUBLICANS said they would not convict the guy before the trial and during the trial just like the first time. The Senators members of Congress were also Witnesses who were actually in the room. This is on the REPUBLICANS WHO STOOD BY TRUMP. *_Many of the Republicans in the Senate took part in the Insurrection and also incited the Insurrection. Convicting TRUMP would be Convicting themselves._*

      *They also NEED Trump’s base to Vote for them to take the House & Senate in the 2022 midterm Election and were NOT gonna Risk losing Votes or their Seats. It’s more about their Political Careers.* The House managers did am amazing job, they did their part and got loads of evidence & written statement from the Witness on Record. Now the Dept of Justice, FBI & GA have evidence on the Permanent Record to us in all the other Trials Trump is Facing.

    3. @B R Biden got us into the Iraq war? You do know that the president at the time was a guy named Bush right? Instead of B R you should be honest and just call yourself B S.

  3. Trumpists would totally ignore witnesses is Pelosi’s assessment but Nader does have a strong point. We have to hope New York & Georgia will go after him & expose his fraud & corruption.

    1. Nader’s an idealist NOT a realist who has to govern. Moscow Mitch would delight in blocking senate business for months, a circus stalling Covid relief and cabinet swearing in, whilst blaming Dem vindictiveness against 45 for not getting things done.

    2. @John Kesich that’s absolute unhinged nonsense.
      Pelosi was angry and said clearly exactly what you claim she doesn’t want to show on Saturday.
      Listen better

    3. Nader unwittingly made one very true observation: Nancy Pelosi has been running this show from the start. She made sure there would be minimal security at the Capitol knowing thousands would be marching on the Capitol, she knew that Antifa types were going to show up to add fuel to the flames and turn what was at first an angry, but restrained mass of people into a mob just like they kept doing this last summer. This is the hag that dismissed the violence of this last summer’s rioting by BLM-Antifa folk as justifiable and “people doing what people do.” Every person who praised the BLM-Antifa rioting this last summer beginning with Pelosi and Harris is complicit in the murder of 49 people murdered in those riots. Especially the murder of 8-year old Secoriea Turner who was shot by Black Lives Matter protesters July 4, 2020, in Atlanta. Democracy Now should be ashamed of itself that it joined the deceitful corporate media in making sure those murders, and especially Secoriea’s, were swept under the rug. Democracy Now has blood on its hands for justifying violence and suppressing information on it. Shame on you, Amy Goodman!

    4. @RobBCactive Who are you to criticize McConnell as a Moscow puppet when you and your associates for decades always took Moscow’s side against America and never found anything wrong with Russian communism?!

    5. @RobBCactive
      Talk is cheap. In 2016 Trump promised wonderful healthcare and that Mexico would pay for his stupid wall. I prefer to base my opinion not on what Pelosi says, but on what she does.
      Keep drinking the koolaid, but don’t say I didn’t try to enlighten you.

    1. Actually Trump claimed his primary loss to Cruz was fraud, his win in 2016 losing popular vote too ..
      His planning for “Stop the Steal” started months before the election. The 6th became important only later, when he found out the VP presides and signs off on the college

  4. Glad to see Ralph Nader on DN. He’s the go-to person on all things Constitutional. His weekly podcast is a reservoir of sanity.

    1. @kceteb E You failed to answer my questions. You made a serious and, in my mind, wildly inaccurate charge against Bernie Sanders’ work and character. Therefore, your comments come across as ill-considered whining, not meaningful critique. Please research or become the People’s Hero who inhabits your fantasy universe. Until then, Bernie remains a man of rare impeccable character in this one, and you do great damage to the cause you claim to support by such slanderous dither. It seems clear that you blame Bernie for Biden’s shortcomings. Do you not understand where Biden’s policies would be, were it not for Bernie?

    2. @Michael Schuler
      Your question was totally unrelated to my comment you were responding too – i did my best to address your digression

    3. @Michael Schuler
      I dont know whether it is an attack or not but I commented on how he has been acting.
      He supports or not support THE SAME policy depending on who is pushing for it.

      Joe Biden is carrying on with Trump’s policies. When it was Trump pushing those policies, Bernie will oppose them and we sort of had an allied. Now that is Biden, he will not oppose them and so we have lost an allied. Same Policies, same devastation

    4. @kceteb E Sadly, you are correct in this last observation. But condemning Bernie and claiming he lies or is no longer fighting for people is far different and unwarranted. The menu of the real does not include all the dishes we wish it would. I still want to know who or what course of action over a lifetime you think would have done more or better than Bernie. We all want to support that person or strategy. But you aren’t forthcoming with alternatives. Naked idealism doesn’t feed mouths.

    1. Agreed that Nader is always very good. However in this instance, he is wrong for various practical reasons. First of all, it would not matter how much evidence, how many witnesses, or how much proof was presented ….. the fact is that the GOP senators were not and never would be impartial jurors. It was always very clear that the majority of GOP senators would not vote to convict Chump under any circumstances whatsoever. Simply party politics and just as did, they would always find some excuse and some fig leaf to try and falsely justify their vote not to convict. Secondly, the time to develop witness and other evidence could easily have run into months (with no change in final outcome anyway), and thereby would have severely impacted Biden and the ability to move on with government business that is critical. Thirdly, there are still other remedies that congress and civil and criminal courts can pursue. Namely censure, vote on ban from future office, presidential crime commission, and numerous civil and criminal legal proceedings in the court system against Chump and his cronies. In short, impeachment no. 2 was not going to result in a conviction no matter what. But the impeachment did a pretty good job of documenting the facts, evidence, and events for the historical record and for the court of public opinion. Thus it was very worthwhile overall and done in a timely and practical manner that seems like it was the best alternative available.

    2. @Corey Ham cannot argue with your point of view. No matter what, these GOP were always going to vote to acquit Spanky Bonespurs. The GOP will always prefer to stab one of their own in a dark dark alleyway than in the open light of day for all to see. Cowards the lot of ’em.

    1. Republicans needed to condemn that, when Dems move against such it’s dismissed as politically motivated.
      Law and order party .. my ***

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